Reading some other forums I read a lot about the Wilson Duo Urethane, but based on the data above from the 85 115mph range they had a performance rating of fair. This was a great read, but I’m surprised no one seems to be mentioning the Inesis Tour 900 ball in any comments. Read up on MR. Snell. I couldn’t find where you stated how many shots you did for each ball. It feels like it has a slightly softer cover and “checks” more controllably than what I am experiencing with recently released Prov1 models. From what I could see they’re flying off the shelves. For someone with your numbers, I would rate the AVX as very good. So, I’ve recently gotten back into golf after being away for 13+ years. I’d like to know if you had an opinion on this too! I the said the heck with it and went to the Pro V1, in one round it was clearly more consistent, more reliable all around. I guess you think this makes you look clever, in reality it just shows us all why you probably don’t have any friends. You see how silly this whole thing is now? Thanks for sharing your findings. I think you should return them to Costco and get your money back. Count, that “feel” metric has been identified by Ping I believe (maybe others as well, and I’m disappointed MGS hasn’t talked about it anywhere in this story). I know no player who would be ok hitting it farther if this was the feel they would get. What was the AoA on the shots with each club? Different club designs including CG position, face flex, etc. Choose one ball, and play it every round and every shot. Everyone has had that moment (or lots of those moments) where they hit a ball and say WTF. Our testing found some major inconsistencies in some ball models that resulted in shots that flew 20 yards or more offline (in high-speed testing). Same rules apply. I’m a 15 handicapper, driver speed around 105mph, and I usually play the Srixon Z Star and went to buy a new dozen before playing the weekend just gone. You take those same putters and golfers and come back tomorrow and run the test again and I’d put a paycheck on it that the results would be different, and perhaps even vastly different. Could there have been any other factors at play? A few weeks ago I get an email from MGS on the new Maxfli Tour. More specifically… how many of you got an email today with a “special” deal on the back-to-back Most Wanted putter winner? This test is meant to educate buyers so they’re informed when making a purchase. Fairways are wide, green typically aren’t. I did test the MTB-X using my son’s new Epic driver. I think so. I put them on my golf simulator and they were consistently shorter than ProV1’s, Snell and Srixon balls I tested them against. Could you clarify how balls were placed on the tee? We haven’t tested it, but certainly here in NY there are guys who switch to softer balls in the winter (when rounds often start below 30°) because their normal ball feels too firm. However, while you may not be losing distance, you are giving up spin, and the overwhelming majority of slow swing speed golfers need more spin. I am guessing maybe due to the change in formula for the yellow cover that may have lead to more variances in ball. I so wish you would have included data from a 100 MPH driver swing speed. I’ve been playing Chrome Soft X because I loved the American flag Truvis design but I’ll probably go back to Pro V1x when they’re gone. This will not be good for my mental game, when I start blaming the ball for my misses lol. I also have a couple dozen TP5 and TP5x, would be nice if they went farther than the chrome soft off the driver but as long as the irons. I’m guessing the S-100 is the compression, so just trying to figure out which Bridgestone ball is most like the TourStage S-100…. The dispersion is also significantly different. Longest ball ive hit, has good spin without losing distance, which means i can take it to a course with fast greens and still have control. Pro V1x has been consistently better than the regular Pro V1 that they keep updating it to make it more and more like the x. I loved the Chrome Soft and just tried the new ProV1x and I am probably going to stick with them and send the Chrome Soft to my son. High speed (155+ driver equivalent ball speed) and high spin. What would you recommend? Did MyGolfSpy just kill the “soft” ball market? I had nine different balls to test, nine sleeves of three each. Golf is hard enough, so it makes sense to eliminate every variable you possibly can. Best Ladies Golf balls for women in 2020. A: Compression is a measure of firmness and is most commonly associated with feel. There are far too many offerings (robot testing is expensive and time-consuming) and (also bluntly) the only real argument for playing them is cost, but given the rise of lower cost DTC urethane offerings, playing two-piece doesn’t make much sense. If enough is absorbed, it can lower the compression of the golf ball. Bridgestone Tour BX has great deliverance rate which means they can go up high in the air and won’t stand in the midway of the air. I think that this is the best one yet! Our Mission is to help you find the best golf ball for YOUR game. Can you release the total distance numbers? My swing speed is about 90mph, and I normally play the 2016 ProjectA and previous generation QstarTour. The standard deviation of compression is an interesting one, I think. So the notion of a softer ball may enhance the “feel” of a good or a bad shot (thin or fat or “heeled” or “toed” or high off the face or whatever). I had noticed better performance with him playing ProV1’s lately over his standard softer balls. Next quikie test just do 100mph to satisfy the masses & fill the missing data space. Is there a top 3 best for dispersion left or right? Not due to test results, but playing I found the ball to give me the best results. It’s one of the softest golf balls and has 55 compression rates. My off target hits and distance improved when I stopped using these balls. If that is accurate, buying 2 dozen Snell would be a “higher quality” ball for less than the “big brand, mid range” ball. The whole concept just doesn’t smell right the more I think about it. Any chance your source for this information was mistaken? Ball orientation was random with the exception of the wet wedge test, which is an insane story for another day. I’m curious if one ball significantly offline (20 yards or more) had a major impact on the offline avg and st dev results. Reviewing the data (and selecting both 85 and 115mph for a 100mph average), it seems as though YES, it’s about 5 yards shorter than the ProV1 off the tee, but it also seems to be about 5 yards longer with the 7i, and a yard or two longer with wedges – launches higher, spins less, so this makes sense. Juniors are the future of golf so I wish they would not be excluded in these tests. I’m sorry, but this data is worthless for most golfers who have an “average” swing speed. How would one apply this study to Junior golfers. I purchased a few dozen yesterday and will see how it goes. Great stuff and thanks! Same clubs, same course. Max I will spend is $25 a dozen. Likely a caching issue. Will you ever get a chance to do the test in cold weather? Dispersion is great and distance gapping btw clubs is most accurate from my testing btwn TP5/X PV1/x. Price: £23 | Buy now from Amazon. Many of the smaller brands are a step further removed from the process in that they’ve played minimal to no role in the design but instead have purchased and branded a white label factory ball. Let’s tackle one of the most common golf ball myths. Can you explain why majority of the golf balls ended up left or target with the driver to all of them being right of target for the 7 iron then more equally spread out near zero for wedges? I get reasonably similar performance out of different compression balls. So at 100 mph the combined Driver & 7i distance for a Bridgestone B rx is 411.44 yards. The impact tape is used during setup to help ensure centered contact. The one piece of advise that we all ought to agree on is stick with one ball and learn how it performs. I would love to see golf ball testing done at a clubhead speed between 85 and 115 MPH, because I have a strong suspicion that a vast majority of MGS’s readers and followers fall somewhere near midpoint between these speeds. If the balls cover is falling apart after a few wedge shots, I’d say they’re right to access poor quality. Wedges: Overall grade here was roughly +.3 STDEV, good for 6th place. On the other hand, golf balls don’t get much of it. Has any ball testing been done on the effect of this temp range and the relationship between low and high compression balls? If we look at the Srixon Z-Star in comparison, at about a premium of $10 per dozen you are getting a tremendously consistent, high-quality ball. Hopefully MGS will include a 65 or 70 mph category in next year’s testing. I may have covered this before, but since I happened to see this comment pop-up. Too bad you couldn’t share your results along with the MGS results. The 115mph swing is much faster than my swing, and the 85mph is much slower. No longer available and we didn’t have any on-hand. Period! As we approach the fall/cooler months, I have read that as the temperature drops below 50, a lower compression golf ball is better for distance. We made every effort to eliminate any variable for testing. I’m ~95mph, so it seems to fit me fine. MTB-X ranks 3rd. However, we’ve been working with golf courses in Malaysia, golf courses in Singapore, and golf courses in Indonesia to help them grow golf rounds and revenue. Traded all my Chrome softs for Pro V 1x’s today. Me too, ling and all over the place isn’t good. But, since you asked, I think the whole #consumerfirst mantra is a little misleading, unless they are talking to the manufacturers and retailers (wink, wink). Great article – this is exactly the data we’ve all wondered about, and the charts and graphs really help illustrate differences and allow for comparisons. I live in Canada and play in a lot of colder weather. Perhaps next ball test you guys can include some typical range balls from a few manufacturers. Because it ensures consistent contact from swing to swing. Consumers will. Meanwhile, there are others that are over 10, so those balls are seemingly 7x less consistent as far as carry distance goes. From the video, it seems possible it was only one. Keep up the great work! What really stands out is the dispersion data as well as the std deviation table. Part 1 – batch of balls from my bag and found balls waiting to go in the bag were a mixture of Bridgestone B300s, Titleist ProVs, TM TP5 & Chrome Soft. If you can’t buy them, then why bother? That said: There is so much information out there, and as a “beginner” – its a bit overwhelming. Great article. Anyway when I hit my third Callaway into the water my playing partner threw me a used ball out of my bag, a TourStage S-100 that I must have found somewhere. High number of dimples helps to reduce drag. Thanks MGS!! TaylorMade TP5 and TP5x. But i will say when i “hit it right, the ball flew. The MTB-X was great. It’s that simple. The Tour BX, for example is fast, but it doesn’t spin as much around the greens as some other top balls. On a hard surface then low descent and low backspin would create a lot long roll-out, but on a very soft fairway both balls will stop pretty much where they land. THe Maxfli also putted and chipped extremely well, and it put the 200+ yard bullets back in my 3 wood. Terrific article MGS! May want to look into spin rate decay while in flight for different swing speeds. Website says its 3 piece. Apart from that this golf ball has amazing nick forgiveness. It’s usually within the standard deviation of any club in the test, certainly not different enough to make a decision clear and undeniable. I understand that testing takes time but wouldn’t be prudent to show the slower swings speed people how they can benefit from this type of information. Balls that i did driver data for are, V1 and V1x, Tp5 and TP5x, Bridgestone BX, B RXS and B XS, Z star and z star xv, volvik s4, erc soft, MTB-X,and K-sig 3 piece. Not my experience at all. Don't. That said…and I doubt it’s something most golfers have ever really thought about…we observed that the surylyn covered balls jumped more and spun less (on a relative basis) when wet. Nothing we believe to be absolutely identical. I can’t say it lived up to what’s been said about distance off the irons, but the performance was well within what we think is a good range. So many important and thoughtful takeaways. On high-speed iron shots, the lower compression set launches higher with less spin, though a couple of mid-to-high compression balls (TaylorMade TP5X, Vice Pro Plus) can also be described as high launch and low spin (depending on speed). Please continue this kind of work and I hope you get they proper support you’ve earned for this tedious endeavor. 85 and 115 are extremes. I was under the impression that the higher the swing speed the greater the dispersion, but the numbers show something different. Bravo! More than a dozen comments so far and not even one troll yet. However, the overwhelming majority of golfers we see, particularly low speed golfers have trouble launching the ball high, and generate too little spin on approach and wedge shots. I just feel like around the greens and with irons the Chrome soft is better for me. This allows you to have a most trusted, peer-reviewed, peer-inputted, peer-approved handicap which you can apply on all your golf games. Best Golf Balls Overall (Our Top Premium Ball Picks) The guides above are the best place to start if you really want to find a ball that is designed to fit your game. Share on Facebook. It’s not that we didn’t give much credence to accuracy, it’s that there are a number of variables in play – probably far more than most would assume with robot testing. That would be a brilliant widget; give those three boxes to enter the weights and have it pop out the suggested ball. So has it been confirmed the the TT version of the CSX is a different ball than the prior retail version? How can you discuss ball fitting without feel? I think that’s a good idea. We’re not sure exactly when it happened, but at some point, marketing the golf ball became more important than the actual performance of the products themselves. Something in the 90-95 mph would be nice. Also, what are your thoughts on why some balls have variation in shot area between swing speeds and others don’t? With RXS, it was a combination of the distance and spin characteristics along with some inconsistencies as reflected in the standard deviation numbers. So check out our blog if you want inspiration on the next. Based on the DISTANCE numbers my guy needs to play prov1-x, I agree that’s the problem. Is there a reason why you did not test both? You may be curious, but I’m sure there’s more relevant data out there that the MGS could be working on. A few yards one way or another don’t make a lot of difference but consistency does. Is it far better/longer in your opinion? I swing my driver at 87 mph. Got it, thanks guys. So within the bigger picture, it’s not purely the distance loss that’s problematic. If you go watch the guys at TXG, they mention how someone who slices a driver thinks “I need less spin so lower spin driver” and it makes the problem worse because they’re cutting backspin off which is actually stabilIzing. So for my personal results were more inline with Titleist. Not to go too deep into the weeds, but the same factors that produce high spin – a wider difference between attack angle and dynamic loft (a value Trackman calls Spin Loft) generally produce straighter flight because as spin loft increases it becomes more difficult to tilt the spin axis, which is what causes the ball to curve. For the price point, a great ball (Pro V1X and ProV1s are great balls, but I am more likely to play those I find, rather than pay the ProV1 prices). Finding the right one among so many choices is hard. Really hard to believe that the Kirkland tested as well as it did in your tests. But in the end, I’m just trying to help them uphold their #consumerfirst stance by pointing out the fact that none of these results really amount to anything more than moving product for the #golfmanufacturerfirst movement. This personal testing is more fun when there is a little science behind the results. Thanks Tony. #PowerToThePlayer. I tried the ERC soft on the weekend and found it went no where. I get it, some of you have bought into these tests as the new gospel in how to select golf equipment, and no one wants to admit they just bought a set of encyclopedias from a door-to-door salesman, but come on, you have to see what I’m saying here. Why play with the same few friends, when you can expand your personal network or business contacts through Deemples. Sounds like Snell, Kirkland and Vice are great alternatives to pricey OEM balls! Where are you getting the -21 yrds offline? This helped me narrow down my choice of balls to try out for sure. After looking at data I decided to test the CS vs the Maxfli tour, a ball by the way I wouldn’t have even considered before seeing data from test. When I hit the Chrome Soft X, the ball takes one bounce and stops virtually every time. Absolutely love this ball. I am dropping my existing ball and using those in this list as my new basis for comparison. Can I get a copy of your test results for my own reading? “tremendous inconsistency” is worthy of the DNC press army. I know this would have been impossible to test without renting one of those giant airplane hangers where there is no wind and physically measuring each ball’s landing point, but that is the final piece of this whole puzzle in my eyes. He’s a senior level Callaway guy who works with the ball team. 2015? Tony: I was also wondering if you actually had individuals down range measuring the carry distance and distance offline rather than trackman data. https://exploringimpact.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-2019-mygolfspy-ball-test.html. So check out our blog if you want inspiration on the next golf course you play at, or want to have a new environment for a driving range. Tony, another thought on the soft balls. I don’t foresee myself leaving the Chrome Soft X behind for a while, but have used Snell MTB Red and ablack in the past and really liked them. It actually would be very simple. As I’ve said, speed enhances the difference between balls and it’s certainly probable that the same can be said about perfection. The AVX ball one of Titleist’s hot releases in 2018. It must be nice to just be able to go do some golf ball testing on an robotic swing machine at will as an avid golfer. Based on my interpretation of the raw data, I though the Vice Pro compared favorably to Titleist ProV1 which was ranked two categories higher. Where did you find this Inesis ball and are they as solid as the data show? We only saw an appreciable difference at high driver speeds. Great article! Not sure about the b330. However, on the course I seem to hit be driving between 200-220, hitting my 3 wood around 180 or so. A separate source puts the compression at ~7% firmer than other CSX models. Any tips on how a beginner should choose a ball? Currently the Srixon Q Star Tour balls are on sale for that price. The deviation from center numbers are what I consider most important and the Pro V1X is tough to beat. Provides high spin and excellent compression rate. 4. Thanks! Reading between the lines of Dean Snells comments on his outstanding interview I did wonder whether the yellow pigment has some impact on the balls cover polymer, maybe to make it more flexible or whatever. Bobby, if you look at the raw data under std dev, it shows the MTBX is 21.52, which is the worst in that column. Pick a golf ball from our 7 best golf balls 2019 list and enjoy your game. In fact, I just looked at the raw data for driver. I found the wet/dry wedge insight to be the most interesting part. Quick qu, given that the ProV1, The Z Star, The RBX, have all existed for a number of generations, can you specify which year they were? My swing speed is similar to yours Dave. Once upon a time, we had a sponsor finish DFL in a driver test. In both those cases my friends and I did realize driving distance gains. A PayPal account is not required in order to donate. Over the past 10 years, MyGolfSpy has conducted hundreds of tests, and published thousands of articles that have influenced millions of golfers, but no test has the potential to impact golfers and the industry more than this one. Awesome. If your average ball is -5, then is -10 actually -10 offline? I know there’s no pleasing everyone and it’s not meant as a complaint at all, just making my comments for what I’d like to see – as it fits my game. It is a subjective emotion that cannot be measured. The MTB-X is rated highly in your test but you also say the compression can vary up to 30 points within the same box? The tools are different, the operators are different. Started with Chrome balls, after I did one of those online ball fittings. Is MGS getting kickbacks from Snell now that the MTB – X ball is sold out? A smaller number represents tighter dispersion. I suppose it was to be expected considering the data and comments from the MGS guys, great work guys. The CSX launched higher (generally good for distance?). Golfers need to know how much difference there is and why it matters. All other things being equal, more spin usually equals straighter. ProVs were always better. I do remember that the ProV1 and X showed tighter dispersion (they listed as 1-4 or 5 IIRC, they were a 1-:Z-Stars were a 2). Thanks MGS! A few extra yards, but in the woods. I’m donating. What was nice was every iron went my expected distance. Like you stated, not many tour players use off the shelf balls which should tell people a lot about the QC of said products. Every ball brings with it some sort of compromise. I don’t typically play a fade but adding different shot shapes / swing patterns is a sound concept. They been running a BOGO Deal.. Had a $20 Dicks reward card, went to Golf Galaxy today and picked up 2 dozen Z-Stars for $22!! FWIW – There seem to be a number of comments about the MTB-X wandering off line. mostly curious how it would affect spin rate. Although, I don’t think that would be a simple thing to put together. Can’t beat the price of the Snell for the performance delivered and I appreciate Dean’s honest descriptions of the ball’s design and features that he produces too. The E6 really does wonders for the “straight ball” so I’ll likely just stick with it (and stop worrying about the handful of yards I may be losing because 270 in the short stuff is better than 280 in the trees (not to mention distance loss from the slice), Yes, a str8 ball would be the best ball for me, I am pretty cosistent with the driver and I want to know where the ball is going, so all equipment that makes the ball go consistently str8 would be the best. Thank you James! I don’t care what someone does, there’s always people who question and criticize. Steve, I’m not sure what you consider “Mid Priced”. Discussed a few times, but given the volume of comments, I’m happy to repeat myself. Do you refer to distance? Golf is intimidating enough, where it’s tough for golf newbies to find out where to go, what to buy, what to bring, who to go with, what to wear, etc. At slower swing speeds, the majority of balls are concentrated between 201 and 203 yards (carry). What we settled on…. On wedge shots, dispersion is generally excellent, with all but one ball (QStar Tour) falling within a yard of the center line. As I think I’ve said previously in this section, I personally wouldn’t play a ball from a brand for which nobody at the company owns a patent in the ball space. I have dozens of them in sealed boxes and I would have been happy to donate a box for the cause. The construction of this ball is beyond admiration. Did the same. What caught my eye was that the Tour B XS seemed to have a smaller offline number and the shot area was significantly low. Given the cost of golf balls, you shouldn’t have to worry that they will cut or wear after a single shot. Though from what you’re describing they’re refinished. Actually I’m going to try out a Wishon driver this summer, only because I’ve been talking with Tom for years and decided to try it. S far I’ve only done the driver for like 8 balls or so that i’d be interested in. At the end of your game, you can key in your playing partner’s adjusted gross scores after applying equitable stroke control, but you cannot key in your own scores. but ask should I? I ended up moving on to the Chrome Soft X because I couldn’t live with the wedge spin, particularly in half shots around the green. The construction of these balls are crystal clear which means it is well designed and comes with neon colors. Like many commenting on this site I found it both informative and interesting. But one of the benefits of softer (low compression) balls is that they still compress on off-center hits (i.e. My question is that it seems the best performing balls were the most expensive. It’s exaggerated because either one half or the entire ball has no dimples whatsoever, but it does demonstrate the influence of the ball’s surface – and that’s just one aspect of what Tony mentioned above! The dispersion numbers are troubling from a data analysis standpoint: If there is that much standard error in the robot testing/data, then the differences (ranges described) between the longer and shorter balls may be mis-placed or erroneous. Low Compression balls are for guys who need shot shape correction and for high speed, high spin players. Again, like any other metric, it’s useful, but it doesn’t come close to telling a total performance story. Do I need to hit 100? With my new AP3s, and soon to be ProV1s, my game is mine again. Maybe this speaks to manufacturing tolerances, but maybe there’s a unique process when making the urethane yellow that impacts the performance of the ball. Am I cheating myself by not buying a higher priced ball? How would you folks weight the following different characteristics of each shot: Driver (distance vs. accuracy vs. spin) My playing results reflected in the data above. Again, great work Sean! Well looks like I have to test the PROV1 vs SNELL MTB based on my specs. Would it be the simple truth that balls that spin more will have higher dispersion? Please do this test next year as well. It’s evident that the industry as a whole needs to focus less on marketing (feel), and more on fitting golfers for balls that will actually help us shoot lower scores. Would have loved to see that data. I am wondering where you mention “inconsistencies” on certain shots flying way offline, were those “outlier” shots still included in your average numbers? This may be more of what that lower SS speed group appreciates. So why was this the only study that did not involve real golfers hitting these balls and collecting the data. you play at, or want to have a new environment for a driving range. Titleist 915h 21* set @ 23* flat Speeder Motore Tour Spec 8.8 – 40″ Having said that, how can we consider MTB-X the best value ball? Great value though. Yes you’re right, iRobot just doesn’t like the colour yellow so it made it fly worse than it’s brother, the white guy. Back on topic…we tested with a robot, outdoors, full flight. When I hit the Kirkland off the tee, I was consistently 20-25 yards behind my playing partner with whom I’m typically even or better off the tee. I never knew so much could affect the play of one’s game. As a ”slow swinger” the Vice Pro was very good with all clubs, two firsts with driver and wedge and second with the 7 iron. What’s an idea on how much that would factor in to total driver distance? 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